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		<title>Comment on Eudaemonics in an age of decline by Alison Croggon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Croggon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eternally happy&quot;, or eternally neurotic? Doesn&#039;t a determined rejection of surrounding realities lead to a constant and corrosive anxiety, which in its most extreme manifestations becomes paranoia and psychosis? That&#039;s what I diagnose when I look at contemporary politics, anyway. Denying perfectly plain realities - whether they be joyous or catastrophic (human beings deny both to maintain world views) - certainly means perception is crippled . And that makes people manipulable and afraid. Yes, so much for &quot;progress&quot;...

Not sure we&#039;re at post-catastrophic yet, though. Just barrelling towards it, all guns blazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eternally happy&#8221;, or eternally neurotic? Doesn&#8217;t a determined rejection of surrounding realities lead to a constant and corrosive anxiety, which in its most extreme manifestations becomes paranoia and psychosis? That&#8217;s what I diagnose when I look at contemporary politics, anyway. Denying perfectly plain realities &#8211; whether they be joyous or catastrophic (human beings deny both to maintain world views) &#8211; certainly means perception is crippled . And that makes people manipulable and afraid. Yes, so much for &#8220;progress&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Not sure we&#8217;re at post-catastrophic yet, though. Just barrelling towards it, all guns blazing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Books: &#8220;The Methuen Drama Guide to Contemporary British Playwrights&#8221; by Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been looking forward to the release of this book in the US for several months now. I am very well acquainted with Methuen&#039;s catalogue of plays and theatre-related volumes. As an avid theatre follower and practitioner, my attention  is directed toward the UK most of the time. I read Michael Billington in the Guardian regularly, I listen to the &quot;TheatreVoice&quot; podcast (which features critics from UK newspapers The Observer, The London Times, et al), as well as podcasts from the major subsidized theatres (The National, Royal Court, etc.), and I buy numerous plays and play collections from Methuen, Nick Hern Books, Faber &amp; Faber, Oberon, and other UK-based publishers. 

It&#039;s not that I necessarily prize British theatre over American, but there is no equivalent activity on this side of the pond concerning our native playwrights. Theatre Communications Group, publisher of both &quot;American Theatre&quot; magazine and play collections of many important American dramatists, is basically all we have in terms of some entity that continuously tries to keep drama available in print, and part of the national culture conversation. But they&#039;re relatively small size and non-profit orientation pretty much guarantee that they will not factor much in the general American consciousness. I don&#039;t know if we can transform the US into a culture in which theatre is a vital resource. I suspect it&#039;s the easier (and more lucrative) commodification of fixed media that will forever steer the conversation in an American culture obsessed with selling and profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking forward to the release of this book in the US for several months now. I am very well acquainted with Methuen&#8217;s catalogue of plays and theatre-related volumes. As an avid theatre follower and practitioner, my attention  is directed toward the UK most of the time. I read Michael Billington in the Guardian regularly, I listen to the &#8220;TheatreVoice&#8221; podcast (which features critics from UK newspapers The Observer, The London Times, et al), as well as podcasts from the major subsidized theatres (The National, Royal Court, etc.), and I buy numerous plays and play collections from Methuen, Nick Hern Books, Faber &amp; Faber, Oberon, and other UK-based publishers. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I necessarily prize British theatre over American, but there is no equivalent activity on this side of the pond concerning our native playwrights. Theatre Communications Group, publisher of both &#8220;American Theatre&#8221; magazine and play collections of many important American dramatists, is basically all we have in terms of some entity that continuously tries to keep drama available in print, and part of the national culture conversation. But they&#8217;re relatively small size and non-profit orientation pretty much guarantee that they will not factor much in the general American consciousness. I don&#8217;t know if we can transform the US into a culture in which theatre is a vital resource. I suspect it&#8217;s the easier (and more lucrative) commodification of fixed media that will forever steer the conversation in an American culture obsessed with selling and profit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eros as repudiation, renunciation, resignation by Alison Croggon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Croggon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments make me think also of Rilke&#039;s Duino Elegies:

Angel: there’s a place that we don’t know, and there
on some unsayable carpet, lovers display what now
they can never bring up to knowing - their bold
high figures of heartplay, 
their towers of pleasure, their
long-since groundless ladders, leaning
on only each other, tremulously, - and understand
before the surrounding onlookers, the innumerable soundless 	dead...

But this seems to me neither pessimistic nor optimistic, like most poetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments make me think also of Rilke&#8217;s Duino Elegies:</p>
<p>Angel: there’s a place that we don’t know, and there<br />
on some unsayable carpet, lovers display what now<br />
they can never bring up to knowing &#8211; their bold<br />
high figures of heartplay,<br />
their towers of pleasure, their<br />
long-since groundless ladders, leaning<br />
on only each other, tremulously, &#8211; and understand<br />
before the surrounding onlookers, the innumerable soundless 	dead&#8230;</p>
<p>But this seems to me neither pessimistic nor optimistic, like most poetry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eros as repudiation, renunciation, resignation by George Hunka</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Hunka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Lara. I don&#039;t know whether it helps, but it does lend texture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Lara. I don&#8217;t know whether it helps, but it does lend texture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eros as repudiation, renunciation, resignation by Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a tricky one, &#039;lust&#039; would be part of the translation, &#039;enjoyment/exultation&#039; the other. It also holds an element of &#039;urge&#039;. Perhaps this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a tricky one, &#8216;lust&#8217; would be part of the translation, &#8216;enjoyment/exultation&#8217; the other. It also holds an element of &#8216;urge&#8217;. Perhaps this helps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unpopular culture by Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are certainly right in your assumption that the translation (though it does confuse it more) does not actually worsen the chaos that is The Birth of Tragedy. The German is no better, in fact I would claim it to be even less enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are certainly right in your assumption that the translation (though it does confuse it more) does not actually worsen the chaos that is The Birth of Tragedy. The German is no better, in fact I would claim it to be even less enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unpopular culture by George Hunka</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Hunka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No author is compulsory -- though I must wonder for whom and for what any author might be said to be compulsory anyway. I argue with Schopenhauer too, but when arguing with him I do not feel that I am arguing with a madman. I&#039;ve done enough arguing with the mad of various stripes to know when argument is pointless. Their logic is indisputable; it&#039;s the &lt;em&gt;a priori&lt;/em&gt; assumptions which are mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No author is compulsory &#8212; though I must wonder for whom and for what any author might be said to be compulsory anyway. I argue with Schopenhauer too, but when arguing with him I do not feel that I am arguing with a madman. I&#8217;ve done enough arguing with the mad of various stripes to know when argument is pointless. Their logic is indisputable; it&#8217;s the <em>a priori</em> assumptions which are mad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unpopular culture by Alison Croggon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Croggon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I said, he&#039;s not compulsory. I was surprised because the suppleness and fire of his intellect - and it&#039;s a considerable intellect - when he&#039;s at his best is something I&#039;ve found profoundly stimulating: his thinking about language, say, or on the profundity of surfaces. The Gay Science is the book that speaks about joy in the face of the abyss, and perhaps is least biddable to caricature, which happened to a lot of his writing (most notably with the Nazis - I think it&#039;s that book that has an unnerving and contemptuous description of what ha hated about Germany, unnerving because it precisely describes the rise of Fascism). Should any writer be blamed for the misunderstandings that follow in their wake? He&#039;s problematic, sure, in many ways, you can&#039;t read him without arguing with him, but I also think he can be wickedly funny. Certainly one of the few philosophers I can read with pleasure.

Katherine, it&#039;s frankly bizarre to think of him as a left wing thinker. And with respect, art emerges from the tension between chaos and order. If only one is present, there is no art worth speaking of. Also, I&#039;d say the radical right is a significantly more destructive and pernicious influence in the world at the moment, and more to blame for celebrity culture (think Murdoch) than anything Nietzsche wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I said, he&#8217;s not compulsory. I was surprised because the suppleness and fire of his intellect &#8211; and it&#8217;s a considerable intellect &#8211; when he&#8217;s at his best is something I&#8217;ve found profoundly stimulating: his thinking about language, say, or on the profundity of surfaces. The Gay Science is the book that speaks about joy in the face of the abyss, and perhaps is least biddable to caricature, which happened to a lot of his writing (most notably with the Nazis &#8211; I think it&#8217;s that book that has an unnerving and contemptuous description of what ha hated about Germany, unnerving because it precisely describes the rise of Fascism). Should any writer be blamed for the misunderstandings that follow in their wake? He&#8217;s problematic, sure, in many ways, you can&#8217;t read him without arguing with him, but I also think he can be wickedly funny. Certainly one of the few philosophers I can read with pleasure.</p>
<p>Katherine, it&#8217;s frankly bizarre to think of him as a left wing thinker. And with respect, art emerges from the tension between chaos and order. If only one is present, there is no art worth speaking of. Also, I&#8217;d say the radical right is a significantly more destructive and pernicious influence in the world at the moment, and more to blame for celebrity culture (think Murdoch) than anything Nietzsche wrote.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unpopular culture by George Hunka</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Hunka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison,

Sigh. When I was in high school, everybody I knew was reading J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Lord of the Rings&lt;/em&gt;, so I decided to have a crack at it. I started with &lt;em&gt;The Hobbit&lt;/em&gt; and got about ten pages in before I threw it up as a lost cause. A little later, somebody told me that I&#039;d started with the wrong book -- that actually I should have begun with Book One of the trilogy proper, &lt;em&gt;The Fellowship of the Ring&lt;/em&gt;. Well, I started that one too, and I got almost fifteen pages in before I concluded, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rose&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;I say it&#039;s spinach, and I say the hell with it.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

In college, I was discussing this with a friend who was also a Tolkien aficianado. After I expressed my dislike of &lt;em&gt;Fellowship&lt;/em&gt; and the trilogy generally, she said, &quot;You started with the wrong book, George! You really should have begun with &lt;em&gt;The Hobbit&lt;/em&gt;!&quot;

I don&#039;t really have this problem with many writers. My first Nabokov, for example, was &lt;em&gt;Pale Fire&lt;/em&gt;, I think, and I was taken enough with it to read &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Ada&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Despair&lt;/em&gt;, and many of the early (Russian) novels, never experiencing the same displeasure. Some were better than others, but all were worth my time. I think, at this point, I may have to leave the Teutonic shoe-banger aside at last. For what it&#039;s worth, it&#039;s precisely the Nietzschean qualities of &lt;em&gt;The Birth of Tragedy&lt;/em&gt; -- the Grecophilia, the bombast, the galumphing Dionysianism, all those aspects of it of which he was &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;critical in the &quot;Attempt at a Self Criticism&quot; that prefaced later editions of the book -- and not its Schopenhauerian origins that make the book, for me, unpalatable.

Katherine,

Marcuse&#039;s thinking on the subject of art, and his problematic relationship to things like the Red Army Faction, evolved somewhat through the years. His final book, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aesthetic_Dimension&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Aesthetic Dimension&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, is rather less susceptible to being co-opted by the radical left, and is worth a look.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison,</p>
<p>Sigh. When I was in high school, everybody I knew was reading J.R.R. Tolkien&#8217;s <em>Lord of the Rings</em>, so I decided to have a crack at it. I started with <em>The Hobbit</em> and got about ten pages in before I threw it up as a lost cause. A little later, somebody told me that I&#8217;d started with the wrong book &#8212; that actually I should have begun with Book One of the trilogy proper, <em>The Fellowship of the Ring</em>. Well, I started that one too, and I got almost fifteen pages in before I concluded, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rose" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#8220;I say it&#8217;s spinach, and I say the hell with it.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>In college, I was discussing this with a friend who was also a Tolkien aficianado. After I expressed my dislike of <em>Fellowship</em> and the trilogy generally, she said, &#8220;You started with the wrong book, George! You really should have begun with <em>The Hobbit</em>!&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have this problem with many writers. My first Nabokov, for example, was <em>Pale Fire</em>, I think, and I was taken enough with it to read <em>Lolita</em>, <em>Ada</em>, <em>Despair</em>, and many of the early (Russian) novels, never experiencing the same displeasure. Some were better than others, but all were worth my time. I think, at this point, I may have to leave the Teutonic shoe-banger aside at last. For what it&#8217;s worth, it&#8217;s precisely the Nietzschean qualities of <em>The Birth of Tragedy</em> &#8212; the Grecophilia, the bombast, the galumphing Dionysianism, all those aspects of it of which he was <em>not </em>critical in the &#8220;Attempt at a Self Criticism&#8221; that prefaced later editions of the book &#8212; and not its Schopenhauerian origins that make the book, for me, unpalatable.</p>
<p>Katherine,</p>
<p>Marcuse&#8217;s thinking on the subject of art, and his problematic relationship to things like the Red Army Faction, evolved somewhat through the years. His final book, <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aesthetic_Dimension" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Aesthetic Dimension</a></em>, is rather less susceptible to being co-opted by the radical left, and is worth a look.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unpopular culture by cdthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 06:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you -- and go where you need to, intellectually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you &#8212; and go where you need to, intellectually.</p>
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